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Crosstraining for Body, Mind & Spirit; Integral Life Practice: Interview With Terry Patten

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Terry: Well, add terry@integralheart, it will reach me, but if you just go to the website, That's right.

Rob: OK. We're going to continue this on the other side on the podcast and my next guest will be Joe Kamiya coming up in a moment on my radio show. OK, Terry so and now we continue on a... I've got a couple of questions for you.

Terry: Sure.

Rob: The book is a kind of collection of a lot of different technologies in schools on how to find yourself, how to reach higher states and what have you. And I love this course training idea with different elements that you describe mind, body, spirit, and shadow. Are they the four that are the primary ones?

Terry: Yes, those are the four core modules, but equally important are effects in service and relationships. I mean nobody in a marriage would say that the work of their relationship is secondary to these other things. Nobody who raises kids would say that it's secondary part of their practice. So, all that stuff, the mind, body, spirit, shadow, that's you; that's kind of an individual side. And you need to do that to build a vehicle that's capable of entering into relationships in the highest way, but practice is your whole life. It's awareness, it's caring, it's service, and presence sense so it activates in those other areas. These are the core modules, our foundation and at that limit of practice.

And the book is meant to be a manual for practice like if somebody was dropped off an desert island and they had only one book to practice out of, this would be enough that you could do a profound practice that you could grow in for years and that is... That was a lot of work, but that was our ambitious goal, and that's what we're trying to do to have a really comprehensive manual for Integral Life Practice.

Rob: It is very comprehensive. So I got another question for you: Juice. You've mentioned Juice a couple of times and I've read it in some of your writings. What's juice?

Terry: [laughs] Well, it's energy, really. Rob, you know it's like we talked about turning out the juice, you now, turn on the lights, you know, you got to have the juice. And in a way, in life we got to have the juice. I mean, our world got to have a lot of problems right now and you know as you saw from my recent blog post, I was pretty upset about this recent Supreme Court ruling about, you know, saying that corporations can buy elections and I don't agree with that.

Well, how do you meet the challenges like this? It takes a lot of energy to maintain a kind of basic positive attitude and optimism and juice, in the face of often challenging or discouraging development.

So that's why spirituality is so important. It's really our spirituality that plugs us into the big generator. You know, there's an album by the rock band Yes, you know, 20 years ago called The Big Generator. I think that's they were talking about. The big generator is that source of inspiration, enthusiasm, enlivenment, you know that which can let you say "glory hallelujah" that which opens our heart, really raises you up. You know we need that; we need that sense of inspiration and our spirituality can be the place we can plug in.

Rob: Interesting. In my talking about positive psychology and positivity training over the years, I've talked about juice too, and to me it's like the net dirt; it's sweetness, it's the really good stuff that we get.

Terry: Yeah, absolutely.

Rob: Which comes in a lot of different ways, doesn't it? There's a lot of flavors, colors, textures, and shapes that to choose.

Terry: Absolutely yeah. In my belief, it's what we're getting juice it's when you have those positive experiences, those peak moments; that's what gives you the inner strength to do anything important in your life, to face challenges, to love, to deal with adversity. It's all about, at some point, getting the juice and then having a reservoir of that and what it came with it in your life. Yeah, well put, Rob I totally agree.

I think that's one of the points, you know, one of the important distinctions that Rob makes that people would appreciate it philosophically is the distinction between states of consciousness and stages of consciousness.

And in the simplest way of understanding the difference one might say that a state of consciousness will come and go, whereas the stage of consciousness is a developmental benchmark that you don't regress from. Once a kids learns to ride a bicycle, he doesn't forget how on a bad day. Once you develop an ability that understand what another person is feeling, you don't lose that capacity just because you got a cold or a flu. So you don't regress in stages typically.

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